I was only poking the bear a little.
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The original understanding from CWCG was that each type 1 team had a team they would mentor. This was suppose to only be for C&G of the type 2 team to work on their qualifications. It is not suppose to work the way this fire is going. Technically it is not a type one incident if a type one team have the incident. So what are they going to do, pencil whip some ink in a task book? Not sure why the FS leadership is bending the rules.
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I think you need to be a little more open minded about the process. There are many more type 2 incidents in the state than type 1, bringing in the type 1 C&G to this incident is another way to mentor. Unless you are on this incident and have seen the incident analysis, it might be type 1 in complexity. It should also be noted that just because an incident is determined to be type1 by analysis, the host agency makes the determination whether they want to bring in a type 1 team.
There have been many incidents that have met type 1 complexity that have been managed by type 2 teams in the past, for various reasons, usually that the type 2 team is doing a good job, and a transition would not be in the best interest of the incident.
I think your suggestion that there may be “pencil whipping” of task books is highly unlikely . I have personally been a Trainer for many years and know that the vast majority of us are very ethical, and objective as we rate performance. The fact that the Federal Teams are all multi-agency, also reduces the likelihood that “pencil whipping” will occur.
The reality is the deference between type 1 and type 2 teams is the type 1 teams C&G have successfully passed S-520 and demonstrated satisfactory performance on a type 1 incident. The majority of the type 2 teams I have worked with in region 5 have already demonstrated the ability to function at a type 1 level.
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In a lot of cases the only difference between T1 C&G and T2 C&G is the completion of S-520.
It’s also because IMTs, as a single resource, do not have any performance capability metrics to differentiate between the complexity types. They are pretty much the only resource that doesn’t. The old answer of the circular reference, “a type 2 team manages a type 2 incident” isn’t reliable with the differing complexity guides in use.
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Interesting…We are on 8 hr? The calendar shows Nobles Team should have been next out?
Team 10 was on a prepo In North ops
Interesting again? How were they on pre-postion when Fogles Team just went out? Not following calendar? Confused?
I m with team 15. I believe they were on 2hr after we went to the Stagecoach. Then Foggles team went. Not sure what the Gaccs doing behind the scenes
Not sure either? The last couple of years there seems to have been a little “deviation” from the rotation? I’m just curious? I do realize there is a lot that goes on behind the curtain and I’m just a grunt… Thanks
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Another possible factor in the deviation from a strict rotation is that when things start getting busy a lot of team members may be committed to their own incidents and/or locked down due to department draw down. And don’t forget the possibility of team members that, due to possible COVID exposure can’t deploy. All this equals the real possibility a team may not be able to roster enough people to fill a request.
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This is true! Thanks
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Team 10 wasnt Pre Positioned. Team 10 was assigned to the Trimmer Incident till 8/12. 8/13 the Trimmer Incident was Transitioned back to the local agency. Team 12 Nobles would be up for TNF Loyalton
That’s what I see. Nobles Team should have gone out?
Team 10 was pre positioned in Redding after the Trimmer
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The proposed IMT rotation is set before the season and only really applies when things are in a “stable” position. Add COVID mitigation in there and you’ve got a situation that needs to be fluid. If you’ve been on an incident this year you know the logistical challenges being faced to do what’s best for all. 12 just returned from 2 week assignment, Team 10 hadn’t truly taken full command of the Trimmer, 10 is already mobilized and far closer to the TNF than 12 would be so it makes sense to reassign a team that still has 90% of their roll time remaining. Still plenty of time remaining in this season and I imagine IMT’s are all going to be taxed at some point. Let’s not be in a rush to get there. Stay safe
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No rush on going out. Just trying to understand the decision making. Thanks again
Just as Firegobbler said, Team 10 was prepositioned in Redding after the Gobbler to pick up anything up north, which they did. Team 11 remained on 2 hour and picked up the Ranch Fire. I hear Team 15 may come back up tomorrow to finish out their regularly scheduled 2 hour.
The schedule does get all out of whack when things are busy, but it’s the starting point. Work forward from there.
15 is supposed to be up now, but they were out so 10 had it. But 10 was out, so 11 had it. 11 went out, so 12 has it. When 15 is back available, they’ll pick up call again with 12 as next up. Supposedly.
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15 is committed or just got back (reset maybe).
Prepo or not it looks like 10 was up according to the rotation.
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