CA-LFD-Palisades ???

FYI..
New Executive Order being issued?!
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/trump-wildfire-rebuilding-order-draws-backlash-from-newsom-l-a-county-officials/

Lnk to the new EO..

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What joke. Another worthless political stunt that isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Should maybe focus on some of the major issues going on in the federal government currently.

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:face_with_symbols_on_mouth:

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Hmmm shhhocking
Saw that train coming a long way off

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I see that train a’comin’
Rolling through the hype
I may not know its name
But I surely know its type

(apologies to Johnny Cash)

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Drip
Drip
Drip

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I’m shocked, I tell ya, SHOCKED* to discover there is corruption going on here!! Now, where are my winnings??*

I feel dinosaurs in power are unaware of how communication works in this modern world. “Discovery” is no longer confined to legal procedures in lawsuits. Cutting edge independent investgators have evolved systems and practices to dig up a lot of information the old bones crew thought they would keep hidden.

The result of trying to hide negative information in hopes of protecting a reputation is steady revelation of information that includes not only that which the system intended to obscure, but also the who and how of the attempt to maintain unwarranted secrecy.

Bring it, kids, and just knock the crap out of this bag of incompetent administrators.

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If I was a betting man(im not)
LAFD and the City of LA could end up being the single largest municipal bankruptcy in American History.

Sure A BUNCH of stars would have to align against The City. But i think the climate of the US, and especially CA in 2026 are such that it could happen.

Time with tell.

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Same banter, Same results that occurred after the Bel Air fire back in 1961. and that area is primed with the same Vegetation in the WUI as it was back then. I remember as a kid they did Checker board control burns in the winter afterward until someone complain about its apperance. This will happen again. Maybe not in our lifetimes, But it will.

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# Los Angeles Firefighter Testifies That Lachman Fire Was Not Out Before Leaving Scene

(Includes video link to his testimony)

“…The Los Angeles firefighter said he observed smoldering ground and hot rocks after the Lachman fire was declared out, yet were ordered to leave before the Palisades fire devastated the region…”

It is depressing to slowly hear more and more come to light.

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Well, yes, but I welcome the light shining into this extremely morally dark abyss of BS CYA on the taxpayer’s “dime”. The brighter it shines the better, and I hope it leaves nothing uncovered in the process.

None of this malicious exploitative behavior will change unless we find out who did what when and how, thiunking they’d get away with it. Every revelation is a pointer to the next trove of information.

I assume this behavior is not new and has escaped discovery for too long. Game’s over for a moment.

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The longer this discovery goes on, the worse it gets for the AHJ.

Risk management attorneys will eventually determine it will cost more money in the long run to proceed to trial and risk a jury verdict than it will to settle( see most utility caused fires) the problem here is the City of LA is deeply in debt and that debt continues to grow. Add to that the 2026 & 2028 elections and the cost of of 28’ Olympics to the city. The Bankruptcy option becomes an increasing likely option.

As stated before, if LA is forced into Bankruptcy it will dwarf that of Detroit and make the Vellejo and San Bernardino Bankruptcies look microscopic in compairson.

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Made the mistake of reading the article. Had to read it 3 times for it to still not make any sense - it seems & sounds like a bunch of things i cant say on this site. It’s disgusting how the buck gets passed and rank outranks common sense & basic fundamentals of communication, mop-up/overhaul. It reads like one big ugly human factors / soap opera nightmare!

For a chief/op’s on a fire that size it’s really bad form and practice to not walk more than just the line - how about a stroll / grid of the interior? Makes me wonder about that persons qualifications/rank. What else is that person shortcutting and/or neglecting?

I get rank and all that it means in the fire service. I also understand how it contributes to human factors in high reliability organizations. It doesn’t mater if you are a Chief or a rookie - you should listen with intent when one of your peers or subordinates have questions/concerns - regardless of how many bugles or stars you have or not. If you don’t have time for that it’s you that is doing something wrong.. period! Young eyes & minds have on many occasions noticed things that the veteran minds (eyes/ears/noses) do not. #facts

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Some questions i have that are still unanswered.

  1. where is the IAP for 1/2/25?
    They were going into the 2nd operational period. Or did they declare it “contained” at 0436 to avoid writing a formal IAP because its not a “planned event”
  2. why did they switch IC’s? If the responding BC was the IC, why did it get handed to the next shift and that IC not keep the fire?
  3. Where is the ICS 214 that was kept by the 1st IC and what where their passdown notes?

As stated before, the continued DRIP, DRIP, DRIP of information only makes LAFD & The City look worse and worse. While LAFD has over 100 years of history. As the saying goes “a few bad apples ruins the barrel”

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where are the thermal mapping drones the tax payers paid for?

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I just hope that both public and civil accountability happens. BUT the political machine will continue to cover up and distract.
LAFD certainly didnt start the fire but the cover up hurts the profession, the public and erodes the public trust of the fire service severely. Disgusting is not a strong enough word

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Los Angeles is the largest city in California with over 10% of the population. The 2nd largest media market in the world behind only New York. Yet the political machine that exists is working overtime to cover this up and make it go away.

I have a co-worker who lost everything in the Eaton and is staying to rebuild. Over one year later, the family doesn’t have permits. Their house is within the the law (10% over exisiting square footage) Yet the family lives in a trailer.

The city, the dept, and indirectly the county need to be brought to their knees. Its the only way this gets fixed.

Sadly The politicians that created this mess will not be held accountable. Their are IMO criminals actions that took place that resulted in people paying for it with their lives.

This reminds me of 2008-2010 “too big to fail” yet California is controlled by 1 party and the 39+ million citizens and shrinking are to blame.

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None of this is new.. it has been happening across this state for a decade. Go to Paradise or Happy Camp or Berry Creek or Middletown or anywhere in Plumas County, Caldor, Bonney Dune, It’s just now that it is happening to rich people.
The blame lies with the county planning and development and the insurance companies. It took 6 years to rebuild a fire station that was burned down in the Bear fire.
The counties cannot get around requirements that they have set forward and that the state holds them too.
Part of it often lies with the utilities as well. They slow roll the replacement of infrastructure to decrease the cost and because they do not have the bandwidth to do that work and meet the vegetation management program.
Many of theses homes fall into “existing non-conforming” lots and the counties and cities take forever to navigate a process to get exemptions.
The last component.. hazard tree removal. While the two SoCal fires did not have timber.. there were still trees. For the northern fires hundreds of thousands of trees had to be removed that were dead. The issue is that the homeowner owns them. Many of the owners receive their buy out from the insurance and move on.. but the lot has dead trees on them. In the case of the Camp Fire, OES was coerced into removing nearly 275,000 trees. The problem is that the trees were decked on the lots, many of the lots were normal residential lots.. so now they each have a rotting log deck. The tree’s were cut to “marketable” timber length and left. Most homeowners are unable to move those around and where do you take them once they begin to rot. The timber companies are overloaded dealing with their own salvage logging..
These incidents are like ice burgs.. there is the part everyone see’s and then there is the part that is under the surface that is four times larger…

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