CA-LNU-Lightning Aug 2020

Did not copy all of last transmission; but OPs stated that 3 fires Probably joined and head approx. 1/2 mile from I-80???5-10, gambel and???. did not catch the third.

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NWS Sacramento: UNTIL 9 AM PDT THURSDAY FOR LOW
HUMIDITY AND GUSTY WIND

  • WIND…West to Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to 30 mph,
    locally higher in the afternoon and evening.

  • HUMIDITY…Minimum daytime humidity 5 to 12 percent with poor
    overnight recoveries of 20 to 35 percent.

Red flag

VIIRs from 2am, 8/19/2020.
Waking up to all this red on the maps is deja vu to the fall fires in Sonoma in 2017.
Screen Shot 2020-08-19 at 6.49.30 AM

Speaking of 2017, the fires northwest of Santa Rosa are well-established, doesn’t bode well with today’s forecasted NW winds.
Screen Shot 2020-08-19 at 6.52.31 AM

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Ops Map for “West Zone” today:

qMarkley fire in LNU Lightening Complex: concentrating on evacs and safety of civilian and structure protection and fire personnel. Trying to get burn victims out (civilian)
Fire headed towards Vacaville.
As with all the fires; they are trying to play catch up with limited resources.

Mods: please post in Lnu lightening complex Q&A : sorry…do not know how to move it.

For many years we’ve seen these valuable mountain top Comm sites impacted by wildfires. In MVU back in the 70’s we used to have the local handcrews maintain some defensible space annually. I’ve even taken CDF engine crews up to help maintain the areas.

Local agencies that control these sites need to make it a #1 priority. More $$$ is exposed to great risk/loss there, especially with all the new cam systems.

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Takeaways from the LNU Lightning Complex Fire press conference.

  1. Fire resources are depleted statewide due to all the fires. They’ve asked 375 engines and many hand crews to come from out of state.

  2. The area of the Wallbridge/Walbridge Fire (oy - should be Walbridge after Walbridge Ridge) has a red flag warning.

  3. CAL FIRE is concerned about communities “south” of the fires. They expect more evacuations, this goes for all LNU Complex fires.

  4. To no surprise for us fire nerds, they think the Gamble, Spanish, Green and Morgan fires north of Lake Berryessa have merged.

Nothing too new, but just my takeaways!

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Yes, the correct spelling for the Walbridge is with one l, however, all of the current CF documents are showing it spelled as ll, hence the reason the thread is labelled that way. Should the CF documents change, which they might, we will also change the spelling in the naming convention

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I think this is part of CA-LNU-Lightning, west zone. I’ve heard the fire called many things. The fire appears to have bumped Lake Sonoma. That is about 8 miles as the crow flies from Austin Creek.

Friends in Guerneville and Forestville are being told to evacuate.

Please forgive me if this is in the wrong thread. I didn’t see a west zone thread.

A view from the north eastern side of the lake

Another shot more from the east

Are these new evacuations ? Any idea what zone?

I don’t know if these are new.

The evacuation map is here: https://sonomacounty.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=69a0e54e9e2b48c086d122027b21c961

Looks like 1D4 is Guerneville and 4B1 is Forestville, but there are many zones affected.

Just FYI this scanner seems to have all the incident freqs programmed for the West Operational area

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CF still has the summary of the Evacuation & Road closures in their public facing Incident Update, posted 2x daily. It also contains links to the counties specific Emergency Services websites. www.nixle.com is another excellent resource for updates that can be subscribed to, for free, which will provide more immediate updates for a specific area or city. The CalFire Lightning Complex Incident can be found here: Cal Fire LNU Lightning Complex Incident Update

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Not sure if the question has been asked. I have made a ArcGIS map of the northern California Fires. I am using the a feature layer from CA Governor’s Office of Emergency Services. They in turn are using point data from IRWIN and perimeter data from NIFC. This layer is updated every 15 minutes.

When I look at the point gis data from IRWIN for this complex they have these 2 field values
Daily Acres 351,817.00
Calculated Acres 343,366.99

when I look at the CALFIRE website they show
350,030 total acres (which looks close to Daily Acres)

CZU
For the CZU complex CALFIRE webpage has
78000 total acres

and the ArcGIS layer has

Daily Acres 78,684.00
Calculated Acres 83,055.00

This time the calculated acres is greater than the Daily Acres. But again the Daily Acres fits more in line with the CALFIRE website.

Trying to get better data quality and not sure what is more accurate??
What is the definitions of these 2 fields?

To throw another wrench, when I click on the NIFC perimeter layer for CZU it shows
Calculated Acres 83,063.96 which is a bit more than what CALFIRE is showing on their website (at this time of posting)

Thanks all

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The mapping in not that precise. For a 78,000 acre 780 acres is 1%. The precision can’t possibly be plus or minus 1%. It depends when some one draw a line on an imperfectly geo-rectified IR image for example. Or how carefully some pilot flying a Huey cares to make his turns.
Lots of room for error.
Some mappers that I know reduce their number by 5% until the last map so the team doesn’t have the embarrassment of subtracting acres. Acreage reduction is considered bad. Then in the last map after having developed a guessimate for a number of days, ya give her yer best SWAG. :slightly_smiling_face:

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