Antelope camera near Yreka has it here.
http://www.alertwildfire.org/shastamodoc/index.html?camera=Axis-AntelopeYreka2&v=81e002f
Guessing the âLavaâ fire will get thrown into the complex as well. Burning pretty good west of the Caldwell Fire (which appears to be ripping overnight).
From this morningâs Sit Report (probably under reported): 12,000 acres, 14 personnel, 2 engines; Caldwell, Lava Beds National Monument, NPS. Four miles northwest of Tionesta, CA. Brush and tall grass.
Extreme fire behavior with running. Structures threatened. Road closure in effect.
Do they have a ICP location yet?
Is that report right ???
If the SitReport that A904G posted is accurate, do you need an ICP for 14 personnel and 2 engines?
ICP at Ambrose as usual
Caldwell 7903 ac
Allen approx 1000
Dalton/Lone approx 2500 ac
Is it accurate? Probably not, but it is what is being reported in this morningâs Sit Report. Looking at the column from yesterday afternoon, I would say the acreage and resources were underestimated. For a while yesterday, they had 4 VLATâs and countless Type 1 tankers assigned to the Complex. I assume there were far more ground resources than were reported this morning.
Build it sand they will come. Personnel count is low but they are going to get more FFs when the priority changes.
Even with 10 people you can still have a place to meet everyday for a briefing⌠that could technically be considered an ICP. ICS âbuild it up or down as neededâ
Thank you, Gentlemen. I will refrain from sarcasm this early in the Op Period.
Many more people working here than reported this morning. Thereâs also 10++ additional small lightning fires that are being worked.
NIFC has the Caldwell at 12,000 and InciWeb has it at 7,903. Both have it at 0% containment, is the more important factor. Based upon what the column was doing late yesterday, the acreage difference is 3 maybe 4 hours of burning time, so by now, it is probable that both could be off. Additionally, NIFC doesnât breakout the other smaller fires in the complex so the numbers could well be closer than it would appear.
14 people with two engines are not going to check this up, so at some point, the priorities will elevate and increased personnel will be assigned. The truth is that the current personnel probably have not even be fully around this fire to know exactly what and where it is.
What we can all agree on is that whatever the acreage count is, it is going to go up and more people will be assigned.
Itâs ok Chief Moz, go back to that cushy desk job
Another probable reason for the low number of resources on the fire(s) in Lava Beds NP is the geology of the park. For those that have never been there the ground is almost nothing but lava flow rock that is razor sharp. The fuel load is mostly grass growing out of the thin soil that has accumulated in the cracks in the lava flow. You can not drive over the flow as they destroy tires. There is no soil to dig or scrape line in. Hose lays would get shredded. So they hit it from the air to keep it in check and have to wait for it to come to a place where action can be taken.
Great points Captmack add to those points that fires in this setting happen annually without much notice as they are handled very differently than in most areas around the state. Not uncommon to see large acreage counts alongside a sparse level of personnel and equipment much like high desert fires in Nevada
The dreaded the Modoc NF IMT deployment. A long drive for a short roll. Whatâs this, the fourth Modoc July Complex in 5 years?
Went on one in 2017!
Sounds about right, Ambrose twice, Alturas fairgrounds, and cal pine airport ICPs.