CA-MMU-OAK???

ffviking · July 23, 2022, 4:22pm

We have talked about this in TCU and a lot of our fires burn from North/Northwest to the South/Southeast. The Local winds and the heating of the day with the terrain. You get up in a ship or AA you can see this on old fire scars… Butte fire had a little north wind behind it.

What really stuck out to me yesterday when watching live feed from the news chopper. Was the amount of dead trees laying on the ground and still standing. Plus when it made that initial run across that ridge of several ridges. The amount of small side drainages the fire was creeping into. Combine that with structure scatted all over. By what I see from my house this morning these folks have a very long day ahead of them.

There was a few recues I also heard yesterday. Hats off to the engines of whoever went to get those folks. That also throws a monkey wrench in the plans when your tying to fight fire.

FireRx · July 23, 2022, 4:26pm

yep, I use to live in Ahwahnee and worked at the station there. we had a big Ops map of the Harlow fire in the mess and it was a constant reminder anytime we got a fire call in the Metcalf Gap area.

burnit · July 23, 2022, 4:28pm

What is the fuel loading/type in the 2018 Ferguson fire scar ?

trishaswcfirewx · July 23, 2022, 4:29pm

The people in this area have had huge issues with pg&e contractors coming in and taking a lot of trees down and then leaving them for the property owners to deal with and as was mentioned before the type of people in these areas don’t have the resources to deal with this. I’ve watched countless discussions about this over the years. They’ve had no luck getting assistance. I’ve personally seen the ramifications as well on my friends properties. I’ve also watched my friends who owned tree companies close their businesses because it’s gotten too costly to run those anymore due to things I won’t bring up in this discussion.

ffviking · July 23, 2022, 4:33pm

That’s a problem we have been addressing in Tuolumne County for a long time. But what I’m talking about is the casualty from the drought. It was just a massive amount on the ground and standing on fire.

trishaswcfirewx · July 23, 2022, 4:50pm

Bark beetle too

209fban · July 23, 2022, 4:57pm

Don’t forget we had low snow in late Dec. that took down a lot of trees or broke branches that hung up in the canopy taking a species of trees “oaks” that are resistant to crown fire and now we have a high potential for crowning

FireHawkC3100 · July 23, 2022, 4:57pm

Screenshots taken moments ago (07/22/2022-9:55am) of the Oak Fire from the MiamiPeak1 cam. Note the imbedded dark smoke. Structure burning?

northbayfcret · July 23, 2022, 4:59pm

You can never know the actual conditions on the ground from aerial photos so this is situational dependant. When assigned to “structure defense” never pass up an opportunity for perimeter control. Several areas showing slopes or spots just over a roadway that was holding for the most parts are visible in various aerial footage. Lots of red lights back at structures but not at the slop or spot. Putting those out can go a long way in defending your structures and may help secure some line.

Birken_Vogt · July 23, 2022, 5:03pm

The low elevation, snow broken branches have been on my mind also. Also there was a late freeze up here (Grass Valley) that froze the new tender leaves on the black and blue oaks but they did not drop. Then a new crop of leaves came a month later but it was warm and dry by then so the new leaves do not look so hot either. I suspect that adds a layer of light flashy fuel to the canopy. Are others seeing this?

apx8000 · July 23, 2022, 5:15pm

I manage fuels for radio sites from Auburn, Mt. Bullion and Auberry/Meadow lakes and I haven’t noticed that oak damage.

Firemann · July 23, 2022, 5:19pm

Does anyone know where I can find an updated link for current evacuation orders?

Aspp · July 23, 2022, 5:26pm

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=9cdac8da837f4ef3b9abd8d0a67ec7d4&extent=-13366696.1316%2C4498862.8084%2C-13307992.4938%2C4525845.0794%2C102100

@Firemann

Firemann · July 23, 2022, 5:30pm

Thanks much appreciated for family friends

IMT_Geek · July 23, 2022, 5:44pm

What concerns me is this is a Mariposa county maintained site. Notice the information drops off at the county line and is grayed out. Madera county needs to step up and get theirs going.

YardDog11 · July 23, 2022, 5:52pm

MadCo is more than ready to act, when necessary. Unfortunately thwy have had multiple incidents of large inciden†s annually since 2015.

heart4paso · July 23, 2022, 5:55pm

Latest spot weather shows South to Southwest winds and eye level and transport. This may change my initial assumption for a northwest push today.
https://www.weather.gov/spot/php/forecast.php?snumunum=2215581.0&lat=37.68725102021804&lon=-119.70933709643491&z=9

Sfdtiller · July 23, 2022, 6:16pm

Took this from 49/Beyer rd

IMT_Geek · July 23, 2022, 6:18pm

@YardDog11, Sorry, I should have been more clear. From receiving them I know they’re very active with the MCALERT system. I just don’t remember ever seeing any GIS site associated with it, I’ve always had to open a map and try to place where they were discussing. I was hoping for that, unless my memory is getting worse and they already have one?

FresnoDome · July 23, 2022, 6:20pm

Pick a spot, any spot.