Vegetation fire with smoke showing dutch forebay in dutch flat. Column showing. Additional engines dozers and crews requested
https://cameras.alertcalifornia.org/?id=Axis-GoldHill1&pos=37.2382_-119.0000_4
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Wind and slope alignment, near PG&E hydro forebay. Many powerlines in the area.
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Rapid build, if you watch the time lapse when it hit the PW right of way it really picked up speed in the grass.
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I have spent a lot of time in there. Very steep country, dry, heavy brush and timber. Terrible road system, one long, narrow way in/out. Lots of water in the area due to the canal/river system. Close proximity to GVAAB
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Watch duty putting it at 9 acres dros.
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An additional 5 any type engines, 2 crews and 2 dozers on top of the original request.
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1st unit on scene gave 9 ac w/DROS high potential for extended
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T122, T137 & T93 enroute
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Going to take ground pounders some time to get in around it
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Still cranking pretty good
Post your questions in the Q&D
Anyway it is still putting up a lot of smoke but not as much spread or build as it was
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Everyone…just because a fire has been held within the retardant lines does not mean that it is no longer a threat or an active fire, nor has forward progress been stopped. The Evac. Orders are still in place for a reason and there are still orders for additional resources being placed.
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Thank you Dzr Keith. But 20 acres in 2 hours is not dangerous rate of spread
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Perhaps, however, it is not our job to judge what the people on the ground or in the air are saying. At no time is it appropriate to second guess or critique an ongoing event.
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You’re correct, but maybe this can moved to a size up training thread. I think ROS are often over exaggerated. Anyways, good stop by the battalion 13 fellas and adjoining forces.
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It started in light flashy fuels and transitioned into timber, so it could have been dros at the time of arrival
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This is by no means a Monday morning quarterback statement, purely an observation. Two fires in NEU, in October under a high pressure system bringing low RH and above normal temps. Neither got active in the canopy. Makes you wonder what the 1000 hour FM’s are? Also makes you wonder if in fact, they aren’t critical. Only the fine dead and down fuels are carrying fire. Thus, under this geographic areas predominant fuel type, does that strike cause for major or dangerous concern, in terms of spread. I know our current practice is to “go big early” and error on the side of caution for public and firefighter safety. And rightly so. And since it seems nothing was damaged other than a few leaves and blades of grass, this also seems like a learning moment.
I come from an old school line of thinking that has seen trends in our work practices come and go. Only to realize contemporary practice has its downfalls, but culture inhibits our ability to daylight those in real time. And so this is why I ask: Is someone wrong because they ask the question or is it because the question does not align with current cultural work practices. Maybe even stands at odds with it. We used to pass down information, not by saying someone is wrong right away, but instead understand the reasons a fire behaves the way it does under certain conditions. Obviously many factors. We would ask questions, pick fires apart and run scenarios to build mental slide shows. Why didn’t the fire crown and thus meet dangerous rate of spread conditions for the predominant fuel type? When we ask, we become better firefighters, better IC’s and better at managing/forecasting needs. When we ask, we are better as a group, which makes the fire service better.
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1000hr for NC05 is around 10 (creeping toward 10%) and just over 10 for NC07 (just into the 10%).
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Makes you wonder even more why it didn’t torch and crown. What is the missing link?
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