CalFire C-130's

Hollister is out until they build a new base there.

From STATE OF CALIFORNIA
Capital Outlay Budget Change Proposal ( http://web1a.esd.dof.ca.gov/Documents/bcp/1920/FY1920_ORG3540_BCP2692.pdf )

"The paved pad area is inadequate at Hollister Municipal Airport to refuel aircraft separately from
the retardant refilling pads. If an air tanker is out of service due to maintenance or refueling, it
must be parked on one of the existing three loading pads, eliminating that pad from use and
significantly slowing fire attack operations, as well as requiring unsafe maneuvering of larger
aircraft. Operating in such a tight area is hazardous for fuel trucks, air tankers, mechanics,
loaders, and parking tenders. The base has handled the reloading of up to 14 air tankers and
parking of 13 while supporting multiple major incidents. At such times the available space has
proved inadequate to maintain desired standards for air base operating safety and resource
deployment efficiency.

The loading ramp is inadequate for the larger tankers or for large fire operations. Only loading
Pad 3 is available to reload Type II air tankers. This pad is situated so that any tanker on that
pad cannot taxi to the runway if an air tanker is being loaded on Pad 2. The dirt island in front of
Pad 3 restricts the ease of movement of aircraft around the loading area. This pad is also not
paved to weight-bearing limits."

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If you guys know anything about CAL FIRE you know it’s very dynamic and 2 years is a long time for them to figure it out. I’ll take a look at the email again and see where they were talking about.

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Because Hemet-Ryan has San Bernardino ATB just 12 air miles away. Ramona has nobody except a couple of helicopters from San Diego City down the road. Makes more sense to cover San Diego Unit with all they can take since they have no help coming East or South.

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Ramona has CAL FIRE AirAttack 330 and Tanker 70 & 71 with USFS Copter 538. CAL FIRE MVU also has Copter 10 & 12 out of Gillespie (San Diego County Sheriffs ships with CAL FIRE Helitack Crew. San Diego City Fire has Copter 1 & 2 and the new FireHawk they have is Copter 3.

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SDSO also has Copter 9 and 11. Plus the CNF helitanker and the 2 SDG&E helitankers out of Gillespie Field. I was not questioning helicopters. They play a important role. And SD City is not going to give up all their helicopters for a County fire. They will give us only 1 copter, being at type 1 or 2. My thought process was fixed wing aircraft. The given is if San Diego brakes a fire, Riverside will to.The fixed wing at SBD cannot land at Ramona, per FS direction. So only S-2’s can land at Ramona, right now. So that means a 40 response from SBD to say Campo, then a 50+ plus min back, reload, and head back. Having a C-130 that can land at Ramona is a very smart decision. Especially when it takes 1.15 min for the tankers out of Paso. As a side note BAe 146’s can land at Ramona, if they are on a CAL FIRE contract. But cannot if on a Federal contract. Go figure that one out.

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Thanks retired guy

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We have a visitor at Ramona. :slightly_smiling_face:

He’s taking up 70 and 71 parking spot. Can’t wait for my windows to shake when they come out loaded.

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T-134 is on a Cal Fire contract (Coulson) this year and will be training pilots @ Ramona AAB for the next month who now fly the S-2T for Cal Fire under contract by Dyn-Corp. It will respond as requested by Cal Fire just like any other aviation resource.


Full story: https://fireaviation.com/2019/08/04/c-130-air-tanker-spotted-at-ramona-california/

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Pretty sure I just saw a new CF tanker launch from Monterey Regional Airport. Flight info shows it as a helicopter so that interesting

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A couple of months ago, a C130 in CF livery was doing extremely low passes over KGOO runway. I wonder what that was about?

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The day has come.

https://x.com/CALFIRE_CHIEF/status/1828061613171368179?t=CPoJTajdIcPRVjlaEBtZvg&s=19

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GJ, You are the very best informed! I always appreciated you at the HRAAB Tower. The best!

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What air bases will accommodate the 130’s? (RON and reload etc.)

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I know that the C130 bases include MCO and Chico in North OPS

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Each of the following get 1 C139 at full deployment

Ramona
Paso
Fresno
Sacramento
Chico

The remaining 2 will be
Training platform
Maintenance spare.

All 7 are supposed to be in service by fire season 2025.

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Thanks bud!

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STS can reload and refuel the C130s.

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For a very long time CF/CDF’s exclusive use/agency aviation fleet (Fixed and Rotor) was heavy on the IA side with smaller AC. It’s been incredible watching them shift to heavy AC on both rotor and fixed. This obviously not only boosts IA capability but large fire support. I know a lot of folks over the last 20+ yrs have been working on these ideas. Well done all.

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Having a T1 Rotorwing fleet is only getting better and growing. The additional 18 T1, T2, T3 EU Helicopters with the additional EU LAT’s has been a game changer the last 2 years. Now with 2-3 T1 EU Helitankers available from noon-midnight and beyond with a dedicated EU T3 helico has been a game changer this year on many fires. Coupled with our LG partners and they’re NVG rotorwing. It’s been common to have up too 3 T1 Helicopters on night flying missions this year.

One can only imagine with the conditions of the fuels, and observed fire behavior during July. What “might have been different” W/O the night flying aircraft. I personally observed several fires in the south that were held in check, or even stopped all together because of the night flying Helicopters. LAC, VNC, SBC, BDF & ANF had fires that were kept in check with these game changers.

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