LAL and Haines

I heard that the LAL and Haines will no longer be used because it’s not very accurate or helpful ?

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NWCG Memorandum 24-002

It is currently just a recommendation from NWCG to the NWS.

We’ll have to see where it goes from here.

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We use both here in Northern Arizona to justify adding staffing for the shift.

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Just wanted to update that our NWS forecasts are now showing “Chance of Thunder” instead of LAL

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I just got out of the RX410 class at the AZ Wildfire Academy (refresher since my first class was RX 25 and the last 410 class was in 2004). I posed the question to our NWS instructors why these two components were eliminated. The answere i got was less than stellar. They did say there are other products that are replacing the LAL and Haines, but never went into it. Anyone know what those products are?

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Hot, dry windy…https://hdwindex.fs2c.usda.gov/

LAL will be replaced with thunderstorm coverage

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Yep, because LAL never had a Zero. Was a 1, meaning None.
Used initially in S-390 as default for 0 in the TI-59 Fire Behavior calculator back in the day.

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