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So, this seems to have gone down a path that the OP probably never intended. A couple of thoughts that hopefully are neutral in tone and perspective. The 10% pay cut, while in this discussion is for CalFire personnel but in reality is across the board for all State employees. The payroll for CalFire personnel is through the General Fund budget. Items such as Contractor Pay, Hotels and other incident related expenses all come from the State’s Emergency Fund. While there might be some items attached to an incident which could be reduced, the facts are, that even if all of the Contractor pay was eliminated and hotels were not an option any longer, (And before that sets anybody’s hot button’s off, that is not intended to become a strategic direction) that in the big picture budget issue would not have any real effect. Those of us who have been around a minute or two, have seen this occur at least once and more likely many more than once. It isn’t at all favorable and nobody is suggesting that this is going to be anything but painful. The only real other option in the CalFire world is to look to reduce staffing which is would be far worse in the long run.

Having been through some of these different scenarios, at the end of the year, my overall income was not severely impacted as we tended to have an increase in fire assignments during those times but everybody has to reach their own decision about what they are willing or not willing to do.

Above all, let’s keep our eye on the ball and not get mired in stupid stuff that everyone has a firm belief in, either pro or con with respect to hotel stays on incidents.

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I think the point here is that before Cal Fire or any state employee for that fact takes a pay cut, we should eliminate some of the pet projects we are spending billions on, high speed rail to no where, the Delta tunnels just to name two, but currently no ones talking about that. The governor spent down the states surplus and now expects state employees to make up the short fall. That just doesn’t work for me as a tax payer.

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Just like the ol wildlandfire…com here we are discussing pay, I for one don’t want to see a pay cut. Nothing wrong having a good discussion about it.

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Hired equipment rates went up 20% this year. Just look at the the 10,000 manual. I’ll send you a copy Dozer Dirk if you would like to compare. Hotels are not the issue.

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Not accurate…

We began the year( as a state) with a 21 billion dollar surplus. With the deep impacts of Covid the state is looking at a 56 billion dollar shortfall. This is not a spending issue- for anything other than the Covid response. Hopefully the pay cut we get will be short lived. If the state received any federal funding, that could change the amount or duration of any pay cut. About the 4th one for me in my career…

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21 billion dollar surplus + 56 billion dollar shortfall 77 billion dollars spent in weeks? How can you say that’s not a spending issue? This is definitely the issue, tax dollars being thrown into the wind with no accountability! We really need to be politically aware right now, what’s going on should scare us all more then a pay cut. The recklessness won’t stop until we all take a stand and make it stop. First responders and frontline personnel should be the last ones to have to sacrifice more then we already do.

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What was option B with Covid… do nothing…

It is not all on spending- much of the shortfall is based on lack of revenues from sales tax, income tax, capital gains tax losses. I understand we all want to blame someone- not sure it is fair to place it all on the governor…

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I think option B is another topic for discussion and definitely not appropriate on this platform. The simple fact of the matter is yes pay cuts are happening because of reckless spending. I understand saying 77 billion isn’t truly accurate. Without exaggerating we can that billions of dollars were wasted in the last few months and weeks and the person who is spending or allowing to spending to take place should definitely be held accountable. It’s time we all wake up. United we stand. Divide we’ll fall

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Mods, PLEASE lock and delete this thread. It’s painful to read the bickering and not needed

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It’s gone way past pay now and just political nitpicking now.

El_fuego and Slasher, Thank you!!!..I thought the Hotel issue was a dead topic from the old site. Damn, Folks lets put a nail in this once and for all. In these times, this is the least of our issues. Everyone stay safe out there and take care of your family, your crews and each other.

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We are done here. The issue has been beaten and is similar to the same discussion had on the old site years ago.

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