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The Governor is asking that CAL FIRE firefighters – who were just given increased firefighter staffing to bring fire engines to an appropriate level and limit the practice of keeping firefighters on the line for weeks, and even months, at a time – give up a 2.5% raise they negotiated through bargaining and also take an additional ten percent cut in pay. This means a 12.5% pay cut for our firefighters.

“CAL FIRE is already the lowest paid among the major fire departments,” said Edwards.

Consider the facts:

  • CAL FIRE firefighters are among the lowest paid firefighters in the state. We have become a training ground for higher paying local fire departments.
  • 10% pay cut for firefighters would put our entry level firefighters under minimum wage.
  • A 10% pay cut would create compaction within the ranks. This means supervisors would be paid less than those who they supervise.
  • CAL FIRE firefighters work a 72-hour work week compared to a 56-hour work week for local government fire departments. CAL FIRE already has a retention problem because a veteran CAL FIRE firefighter can start over with a local department and make more money at a lower rank for fewer hours of work.
  • This 10% cut in pay will result in an inevitable exodus of qualified supervisors from the department. It makes better financial sense for them and their family if the firefighter retires.
  • Our firefighters have been on the front line, responding to COVID-19 medical emergencies and more than 500,000 calls each year for assistance. The proposed 10% cut is frustrating and demoralizing.
  • Almost fifty percent of our salaries are paid by the more than 100+ city and county contracts where we provide full service medical and fire protection. Whatever perceived savings this 10% cut will net will be negated by reductions in their payments to the state, resulting in limited savings.
    Please help our HEROS keep their hard earned money and contracted raises.
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That will just mean less FS folks jumping ship for the red army,

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27 Years with the “Red Army” We have seen IOU’s in the early 90’s and PLP’s and various pay cuts etc.

This is just a cycle that we will get through as time passes. And while the 10 to 12 % will hurt have seen very few if any Red Army members go hungry or become homeless. We are in better shape than some of our LG partners that have not even started seening cuts yep.

We will stay the course and if people choose to leave the red army that is there choice, but as I said LG will feel the pain as well.

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By no means agency bashing more food for thought and discussion points to illicit constructive dialog.Maybe Cal- Fire would be willing to forgo the mandatory hotels to keep current pay? Also how does reduction in pay compare to the Federal Firefighters pay? Including factoring in portal to portal pay, etc…??

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Please do not go there! We are all in the same team. We need to be supporting our brothers and sisters as one team/group. Please do not create or perpetuate a divide that can be used against us later.

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Just to set this matter straight…A few pay raises or parts of them were bargain off to get hotel rooms when available…….in contract negotiations years ago.

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got crews on ground of avilia fire. maybe time to hold comments

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Seriously- let the hotel thing go- just a lame inflammatory comment… If you do the math- the cost of the sleep trailers- showers-bathrooms etc far outweigh the costs of the hotels- the state pays a standard rate for a double occupancy room. In addition, we get our people 24 hours off-out of the weather an into a climate controlled environment.
The union and department do not have the ability to bargain for things that are paid for out of the 0900 emergency fund- that is where the costs for incidents come from. What is being proposed is a general salary cut for all state employees that comes out of the general fund.

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When you add up the support costs
Shower trailers
Blue & Gray water tenders
Sleeper trailers
Blue offices (aka outhouses)
The cost for hotels is cheep based on double occupancy
Add into that the cost for food(MKU Catering) offsite feeding is even cheaper as meal costs are capped a set amount per meal. Unless your on a long term T1 incident where trailers full food can be purchased, off site feeding is cheaper. The same thing has been done now for fueling. Go to a local supplier and establish a relationship and not set up camp fueling. Anyone in finance can verify these numbers.

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Rely. Are those posting on here really give a s… Us old folks believe that we are to protect and serve first. with respect to all active and past who serve

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Let’s please keep this thread civil and not about what one agency does or does not provide. The costs are what they are. But the OP just asked that folks consider what a 10-12% cut in pay means for the “boots on the ground”. That was all. The various agencies decide how they want to spend their “emergency fire suppression” funds.

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The website is… Wild Fire Intel
Let’s stay on topic and keep it civilized
#fireinfo

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Let’s be carful not to censor our own discourse too much. I understand the world we live in now is extremely divisive, and perhaps rightly so. This is a place for fire personnel to explore ideas. Discourse is the start of finding out we have a problem, let’s think critically about it before we shut down topics.
With that said I have no clue what to do. I’m sure a few on here will have some insight that will be helpful to some. For the others on the opposite end of the spectrum spouting toxins, well… just like a BC who isn’t worth his salt giving you an assignment, put your head down and do what will move the mission forward.
Keep Hammering

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This isnt about being inflammatory or oitching one agency versus the other, just asking if those are considerations before cutting pay? If hotels were the cheaper route everybody including Feds and LG would be doing it and as a qualified IC and type 2 logs,I can tell you they are not cheaper. I’m not debating what is better or not I’m just saying drastic times call for drastic measures. If I was faced with a 12% reduction in pay, I would prefer the fringe benefits over my wage to be cut first. That’s the only point I’m making. Cuts will be made that’s a fact, where do prefer them to come from?

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Hired Equipment rates?

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Maybe, I’m sure everything is on the table. We all know the agencies dont have enough of their own equipment in a busy year. Maybe with a bunch of equipment sitting idle, that would normally be doing construction there will be a bidding war.?

Not accurate…

General fund and Emergency fund are two different pots of money. Salaries are out of general fund, any incident requiring anything beyond initial attack comes out of the emergency fund.
A 10-12% pay cut for boots on the ground- means they take home 10-12% less each month the paycut is in place.

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Then you should know better. You are talking about two different pots of money. Our salaries and benefits are negotiated - any operational support or equipment is not.
We can bring out all the finance people to confirm the cost of the hotels. Beyond that, we try and hotel up everyone on an incident if we can.
Ultimately it is better for our people to get 24 hours off in a climate controlled environment. I understand it grates on people, but don’t bash something that you would gladly take…

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Well lets first set this straight, the hotels are NOT a “fringe benefit” they were a concession during bargaining years ago, the state offered the hotels as an alternative to a 5% pay increase that the membership was looking to receive. So if the hotels were to go away that would essentially result in a 15-17.2% decrease in pay… So don’t the state provides hotels out of the goodness of their heart, it was a contract negotiation.

Also the hotels are really a mute point, as expenditures for hotels comes out of the state emergence fund, which as most of you know is essentially limitless. Long story story the expenditures come out of different budgets, one that had a cap and one that does not.

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Just one persons point of view. No State employees should be taking cuts however, Did you vote in the Governor who is giving away your tax dollars? This is a spending problem!

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