The aftermath beyond the destruction.

California & Hawaii Hotlist Questions and Discussion
#185

I’m pretty sure it is mainly just an expedient way to make all those bare lots safe for dozers and stuff that will be clearing them in the next few years. Don’t want a live gas riser among all that.

But it could have something to do with that. 2 birds with one stone and all that. If they were planning on hooking it up again then they might have dug down at the sidewalk and capped the laterals off there instead of going all the way back to the main line.

This should be a transparent issue but of course it’s not.

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#186

:100: correct
Sand/cement slurry when curred provides greater than 90% relative compact(RC) of the soil. Which is the minimum RC to lay road base and finish pavement. For building footprints including 5’ outside of design the RC increases to 95%.

These requirements are to prevent settling, cracking and as stated can be dug through with equipment without the need to use hydraulic breakers to remove

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#187

Preaching to the Choir. The excuse of ‘Climate Change’ that is suppose to raise temps 1.5C in 100 years has little to no effect today, but makes a great scape goat, doesn’t it?

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#188

Climate change is real. It’s not the only factor, but I wouldn’t say it has no effect today. The Park Fire took off after the hottest two weeks ever recorded in NorCal, and higher overnight temps and lower humidity recovery during fires like the Dixie or Caldor meant the fires didn’t lay down as much, and we had less opportunities to make progress during night ops.

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#189

Spot on. Thank you!

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#190

Was it that the Dixie Fire didn’t lay down at night or some wack job was lighting fires across the line?

#191

… the arsonist lit a couple of tiny fires nowhere near the front line of the fire, somewhere up above Magalia IIRC.

They accounted for a couple of dozen acres (if that) out of a full million, and had nothing to do with the fact that the Dixie came on the end of three+ months of utterly dry weather and extreme heat. I think the last notable precipitation that spring was in April, besides maybe on or two very brief showers in June, as part of storms that lit a bunch of lightning fires.

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#192

Dixie was throwing spots 1/2 to a mile past us at night. Chainsaws and line for hours then pull out, it’s past us.

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#193

Yes, climate change is real, and it’s not a dirty word, it’s a historical thing. The Ice Age changed the shape of California. More recently, another period of global cooling called the Little Ice Age gave birth to all the glaciers in the Sierra. That ended around 1900 or so, not that long ago.

Temperatures have warmed up since then and those glaciers are receding, some have pretty much melted away. Bark beetles exploited the changes in temperature and precipitation and turned millions of trees into Duraflames. When it comes to wildfires, I’ve seen it with my own eyes, the effects of climate change are kinda real.

Climate change has been caused by all sorts of different factors over the course of history. It’s possible that human activity is one of those factors today. And then we get into politics and personal beliefs. I don’t have any answers there.

Image from Little Ice Age - Wikipedia

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#194

May be checking in with current climate science and history would be a good idea. I’m neither a fire fighter not a climate scientist.

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#195

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https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/local-news/we-need-to-do-more-how-sb345-aims-to-help-californias-firefighter-staffing/

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#196

@Flyron is this a late april fools joke? who comes up with these fake problem sets and solutions?

my favorite line “Hurtado did previously introduce the bill last year, before it was rejected. However, that was before minor changes and, of course, the SoCal fires.”

lol you cant make this up. I am all for training funds but this is to help with staffing? And using the so cal fires as justification. Im just getting old and politicians piss me off.

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#197

The reason for the “increase” is the certification Fees hadn’t been raised in 20+ years before the “200-400%” increase.

I believe that the OSFM/SFT side of CAL FIRE is funded in similar fashion as CAL OSHA “user fees”

I get what she’s trying to do. But the fee’s paid pale in comparison to the FREE community College California offers for those without a degree. Finally, even a CAL FIRE Seasonal can earn $40,000+ In their first season and a top step, 9 month seasonal can make darn near 6-figures.

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#198

Agree
This is just another Ca political move to garner voters support. How does this solve the staffing shortage? It doesn’t. And somehow after the fires in LA this makes it all better. Public handouts by moving from one source to another.
Eric you are correct, look at the CA community college system for comparison.
And to say that other professions don’t require pre employment expenses? Please
Can you say college degree? Pre requisite training for tech careers?

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#199

@firedog1 yup what planet is she on? I can think of very few “careers” that do not require some level of “education” to get in the door. I put those two in quotes because we are talking a career here not a job and education can be achieved in many ways.

You can go to community college for free. I think most of the fire academy is paid for under this. Uniforms and the like are surely extra but we are not talking an exorbitant amount of dollars to enter this field. Heck you could go get student loans to pay of it all if you wanted. So would not have to work much while in the academy etc.

Like @Ehoss84 said we already do a lot of education subsidy in this state I am not sure more is the answer. I felt guilty my daughter going to the first two years of community college damn near for free but then I looked at my tax bill and was like nope no guilt here, I paid for this upfront lol.

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#200

OSFM divisions are self funded, the fees paid support the program as with the other divisions in it.

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#201

You bet others pay. My bachelor’s was $4,000 in 1989 -1990. The credential was $13,000 in 1990 for a starting salary of $32,000. Later, I got a Masters at $18,000 which added $500 extra per year, whoopee! The benefit would have been to get into admin and out of the chaos that was the MODERN classroom. Can’t forget the testing fees of $100+ for numerous tests CBEST, READING, MSAT, and so on. Yes, I paid all of that myself. I got saved by teaching in prison, which I loved and it is a hecka better retirement than STRS.

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#202

PS I do greatly appreciate and respect CalFire.

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#203

For those interested in some light reading. Shall I direct you to the California insurance code… Starting with sub section 10050, linked below. Certain fire insurance companies have had the same privilege and protections as municipal departments since 1935. Seems our lawmakers have not bothered to read the laws that have been on the books for nearly 100 years and were written in a time when the municipal fire agencies were ineffective in protecting subscribers property…

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#204
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