…and so it serves to divide a Federal National Forest split between two regions, more or less equally with regard to density and travel time between them, with a carve out for SF. And for an agency funded to 40% of its responsibility. Just give them back, lol. J/K.
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So if you look on a map. TCU and BEU are the start of SOPS. Kinda like a sideways S. Not a straight line. And whatever Forests, NPS, FWS, BIA, and BLM land fall under those lines, which then lay in their respective GACC.
Download that, draw the GACC Ops line on it, and upload that. I don’t know exactly where that line is, or as already posted, its just fuzzy.
This should help
The easiest way to know if it is a NOPS or SOPS incident is this: If the CF Region number is a 1 or 2, it’s NOPS; if it is 3 or 4, it’s SOPS
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What NF is split?
Not a split of a forest, but a split of the forests.
In light of this map, you say TCU was put in South for reasons, okay. Mono and Inyo make sense together. Intuitively, SC and Monterey Counties split at Pajaro, but they are really sort of one economic area. SC is sometimes called part of the south bay area, but not a lot. It would seem to make sense to keep Monterey Bay together, but that cuts off the top of LPNF, I guess. Its awkward, but surely there are some factors being left out.
TCU is SOPS as shown on the map above and carries a Region Identifier of 4. The NOPS boundary units are: CZU, SCU, AEU. Everything above that line is NOPS, everything below is SOPS with the boundary units of BEU, MMU, and TCU. We are making this way more complicated and complex than it needs to be.
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You see a lot of Bay Area weather reports include Santa Cruz. There’s a pretty heavy commute on the 17. Its fine. Awkward at times, but fine.
TCU was not put in the North.
Was in the North. Fixed.
Part of Mono County is GBCC. Somewhere around Conway Summitt is the boundary between OSCC and GBCC.
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Not on that map.
AEU was in SOPS until 2007, when it was decided that having them in NOPS to match the ENF made better operational sense. Previously when they were in SOPS resource ordering in the interagency ECC was very challenging, going to NOPS for fed incidents, and SOPS for state incidents, not to mention the incidents that spanned the DPA line!!
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Not that I am aware of.
The Northops and South Ops divisions have absolutely nothing to do with how TV does their news, but remember CZU is in NothOps, and aligned with the Bay Area in North Ops.
Ok…to give you one point. Monterey NWS is split between NorthOps and South Ops. But, again, that doesn’t matter.
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It is on the official (from NIFC) National GACC Boundaries layer. Part of Alpine County too. I have worked on both sides of the GACC boundary in Mono County.
I’ve lived and worked all through there. Monterey south to Ventura goes by Central Coast so often that this is the way we often refer to it. Santa Cruz is Central Coast or not depending on who you talk to, and where they work. The North and South Ops boundary has just not come up often enough in my daily walk to have been important, although I’ll grant you freely some people here are paid to know the difference and get it right, because of the financials, and liability. That’s not something most people are tuned into when they look for info about a fire.
The ONCC/OSCC dividing line is a lot less of a wall than most other GACC boundaries, they do cooperate and coordinate well for moving resources around. You will find this site has quite a few folks who are very tuned into these issues. Getting it right makes it a lot easier to find fires in the various systems for sure. I think you would be surprised at the mix of folks on here.
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