CA-KNP-Complex???

All this talk about who is screwing up, how, and where, and no mention of the obvious problem with all the “just put it out” talk: a climate disaster in progress.

Talk is cheaper than ever. Reality is bigger than ever, and in charge. Shut up or put up. Our lives are in the process of changing so rapidly keeping up will be a full time engagement.

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Climate is dynamic and always has been for thousand upon thousands of years

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Of course the climate is dynamic. It has been for billions of years.

Atmospheric C02 is measurable. It’s a gas. There are several key anthropogenic and biogenic cycles, both of which have dozens of variables that are hard to discern how they interrelate. But the process is relatively simple and straightforward, and we do know - at the same certainty that we know gravity exists - that C02 levels are 420 parts per million, or the highest they’ve been in at least 800,000 years.

Land-use has is another leading culprit in latent heat cycles and broken small water cycles. Yes, forest mismanagement plays a crucial role, but then again, so does the entire civilization we’ve built up around these management systems.

If you’re having a hard time comprehending how wildfire and forest communities are exacerbated by these broken feedback loops, I suggest going directly to the sources. Sequoia-Kings NP has produced 60 years of scientific literature dedicated to climate change data, and has been at the forefront of trialing these experiments for just as long.

Until then, maybe stick to fire ops and keep this forum available for ongoing fire incidents.

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Please stay on topic

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I see several aircraft over near Wilsonia, near Grant Grove a couple of Helos also.

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How does one know this before team members?

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I am a team member and received word this morning :hugs:

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The ordering system for Teams goes something like this.

IC of the fire, and his/her bosses discuss the need for a team well before it is ordered, for new, building fires. For established fires, many people know the Team schedules and likely rotation times. Again, ordering replacement Teams is discussed well before the actual order. Longterm fires with increasing complexities also plan the need for more Team orders, as well as zoning or splitting fires. This is not something done spur of the moment.

People know what Teams are up. It’s not a secret. Some can look in the ordering system and see the orders being placed ( but not yet assigned). The IC is usually alerted a Team order is being discussed, and in the larger situations, the alerts, which the IC passes down the Team, can occur days ahead of the actual order. In situations where Team rest days and days off are a critical concern, a resource, including a Team can be told " when you come back from R&R, you will be assigned to this fire".

Lastly, the not always reliable, rumor mill.

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I guess the best answer to your good question is that the information flow on wildfireintel.org and other social media sites are more advanced than the emergency mobilization and emergency managerial communication processes.

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What kind of orders are pending?

I see 4 Helo’s today, good to see! Again, in the north, near Wilsonia and Grant Grove

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Hopefully enough Precip in the next 48 to put this thing to bed.

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Only predicting .1 to .25 inches @ the KNP and even less further south. Snow levels above 8000 ft. Then a cold inside slider with no moisture, followed by a warming and drying trend. No super soaker conditions yet.

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Prayers for those involved.

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Thank you for saying that. It needed to be said.

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Tree strike accident.

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TULARE COUNTY, Calif. (KSEE/KGPE) - Authorities have given an update on the four fire personnel struck by a tree at the KNP Complex Fire on Thursday afternoon.

According to officials, all four individuals injured have been treated and released from the hospital on Friday morning.

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I see this morning, they have split the KNP into 2 sections, North and South along a diagonal line. 2 separate video updates were given in YouTube KNP Complex - YouTube

around .25 inch of rain here in Squaw Valley, hoping they got a bit more over there.

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.13 inches so far at Grant Grove. Looking spotty on radar. Better than nothing.

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About what I got here on my side of Squaw Valley. Just enough to wash all the leaves into my gutters and make a mess.

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