Actually @Blister I/we have no idea what your talking about
So let’s real this in as a group of Firefighters, not side choosing Nellie’s.
Crews, engines, strike teams, helicopters and the " little" air tankers(s-2’s which used to be ALL WE had) …all do what they are asked. Safety asside, if an IHC is asked to grid or pick up hose…you propose they say no?I defer. (There is fire in alot of states other than Cali!)so who picks up that hose? And for the live of blue sky… DON’T say type 2 crews!
As @2ndLine1stWord stated quit with the rhetoric and bs and inexperience.
Bring solutions not a skinny finger to stick in between ribs while hiding behind a moniker or screen name. Save that for face book.
This site has roots, emotions and intent to do good for the masses. This proding does good for anyone.
My fellas CAN be bad a**. But… An IHC can do the same things. Sometimes better. But then again…there’s things calfire crews may do better as well.
I remember on the Rim fire, scouting , hiking banging line etc. Working on div “x?”,looking across the Stanislaus river cayon, but new a piece of line HAD TO BE COMPETED on div “w?” that noone could see. A firing group was heading toward it. Group decision with the captains and we opted to " make It happen"
I scouted in front and ran into a scout from the other direction. From an IHC. we compared notes made a plan( as incident was rapidly still expanding) , along with the noted " how the heck did you guys get up that" comment from the IHC scout.
The IHC was firing, the fellas we’re banging line and beating themselves up because they could see the story unfold ( firing group litteraly a few miles away) The improvements at Appletown (? ) That we prepped would be lost. The fellas banged litteraly a mile of line across the north fork and out of the main fork if the Stanislaus…,.
We met face to face with the R3 IHC at the actual paper cabin( paper cabin ridge)
They were not used to nor did the R3 IHC have any stigma about calfire crews.
There were brief exchanges…and the IHC “handed” off burn show to us. In their words, we banged it…we burn it… years later Black Mesa is a name that comes to mind still.
Another invisible line crossed the sane shift…I met with a Calfire agency Charlie STL. Small talk bof where we came from etc (apple something or other housing area,don’t remember the name). That STL ( battalion chief,) took it upon himself to bump our busses and STL truck for us. If I remember correctly it took them 4 or 6 hour to bump our rides around so we only had a mile or two too hike out at the end of our shift . Not by request but because of respect and a common goal. Looking out for each other.
Point being, a CREW handed off to another CREW out of respect. Same green pants talking to a walking banana( nomex) , but the stigma some keep in R-5 is embarrassing ( both sides of the fence,) and counterproductive ,including the post I’m referring too. *Note" FCB" refers to Fire Captain range B or crew captains for Calfire. I proudly carry this title and choose to educate those "weak Captain B’s’ and show then the correct path!
- As far as I know,because of efforts if both resources the “paper cabin” still stands.( I rested on the old porch) as the proverbial torches were passed in respect.
So let’s get over the rhetoric and find a solution
FYI. This thread is about crews being cut… Not how to undermine everything they have worked for!