FUSEE Report on Soberanes Fire


#1

Saw this on my local news feed, haven’t read it through yet. Interesting concept though. $262 Million

http://www.fusee.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Soberanes-Fire-Final-Report.pdf

The Most Expensive Wildfire Suppression Incident In
U.S. History Demonstrates the Need for Fiscal Restraint and Accountability in Forest Service Firefighting


#2

My question is, who made this group the experts in fire management? What is their back ground and training? They might be right? They might be wrong? Maybe they just have an opinion like the rest of us. Were just not funded by Leonardo DiCaprio. I would like to hear from some of the folks that were managing the incident to hear their spin on the report?


#3

This report appears to be extremely bias. If one looks at some of their charts, you will see they are showing the FS cut spending upon taking the fire from the state and never got up to the high expense under state management.


#4

If it’s the same group that I’m thinking of, it’s just a guy that has only a couple of seasons as a FF who thinks he knows it all, and has a big chip on his shoulder. He’s a complete environazi, and nothing that USFS can do is right in his eyes.


#5

SmokeyBehr I think your correct. We were the first Federal dozer don’t remember how long it was going on for as we came off the Sand ANF after. Think the 97th dozer. Damage was done. We were assigned to stage on HWY1 in Big Sur as we have a winch on the dozer and that lasted for about 2 minutes. Ended up on the break on North Coast Ridge Rd(Worked the big box). Indeed you are correct about the folks who are on the board(Fusee). The quals they mention are assigned to one of them. They are EFF/AD from various locations. By the way of that little Deere it was not cutting line. It was putting in a landing for a porta-tank or something. They are correct that dumb line was put in all over the place. I don’t think our HEQB’s now should be leading anyone anywhere. 0 skill. I know this because they put HEQB’s with an agency dozer. That is how I know. Entertaining though.


#6

SmokeyBehr that was a pretty strong statement on our current HEQB’s. So let me reference why I said that. We did go back to the Sobranes a few weeks later for suppression. We heard many dumb ideas. They were dismissed. One of the crew boss trainee’s from a neighboring forest said at our breakout “we a not used to dozers not doing what we tell them to do”. They wanted us to put a “”"""“checkline”"""" into the wilderness. We all have the same map.


#7

“Checklines” have become the new “tactic” when a firing operation doesn’t have a valid stopping point. As for the quality of HEQB/DZB I can state 1st hand the quality has not kept up with the burning conditions. There are several reasons why.

  1. The timber industry is non-existent in California. So the quality of Operators has fallen the same as the quality of supervision.
  2. Just like every other industry in America, fire is suffering from acute shortages of seasoned personal due to retirement of baby boomer generation.
  3. More and more LG are filling OH assignments as the FS & State struggle with attrition.
  4. Finally, the old school “Cat Skinner” of the past doesn’t exist for the most part. See item #1 and let me add, the qualified operators that use to respond as CWN have either retired or joined an agency thus leaving the CWN remaining with a lack of depth & expertise.

I personally, gave several poor evaluations this year to CWN contractors who couldn’t perform to an acceptable level. 2 of these resulted in resources being released.