You were missing the part about the Union Jack being a part of the Hawaii state flag, the significance of a message to the President by Charles, and, for reasons of his own, apparently, why he signed the message, thus. And, perhaps a little irritation, on my part, by yet another picky clerical issue.
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I’m not familiar with any separatist issues on Maui that might be trouble for USAR. Generally, those things are hashed out in courtrooms, unless its stayed out of the news.
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First lawsuit filed.
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remember the Morse Fiere 1989 at Pebble Beach, Same sinario.
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That house is on Lahainaluna road and that powerline is one of the ignition points. This is the fire that was contained but reportedly flared up later.
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Was it not mopped up as well, I don’t remember?
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@Ed3442 I am not sure anyone was going to have any fire mopped up to beat 80 mph winds in those fuels in the time frame they had, with lack of resources, with other fires burning on the island at the same time. Apparently, forward progress stopped at 9am. Escape hours later with a unit still at the scene but other units were moved to actively burning fires.
IIRC yes there are similarities to Oakland Hills but I am not sure I would classify it as not mopping it up well rather not having enough resources to get it mopped up to stand up against 80 mph wind gusts. I have watched the same thing happen here. Fire in heavy fuels burning on LRA, warning to allied agencies that the fire was threatening them and without more resources and in particular aircraft the likelihood of escape way high with the forecasted winds. They made a decision to not assign those resources and the wind surfaced and off to the races we went. The difference here was we had the resources they just were not assigned for whatever reason. Luckily the wind was not in alignment with homes. we just spent a lot of money over the next week or so.
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I share FF238’s sentiment. As they do, the media has depicted the full scale of human misery, destruction and tales of local hero’s. As has been said, what I feel is missing at 5 days + into this incident is an overwhelming government response to address the basics; communication, food/water/fuel distribution & power. The military is absolutely capable of setting up communications/satellite/phone charging tents every 1/2 mile throughout the incident. Large scale mobile kitchens and potable water distribution trailers and generators placed throughout the impacted areas of Maui. These are simple things, well practiced by our military that we have all seen at large scale mainland incidents that seem to be lacking. Is it me ?
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Framing incidents in terms of Batman and Joker, and Joker and Batman, is childish, perhaps a consequence of trauma and regressive/repressive policy. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to investigate possible arson, nor to hold both negligent and malicious parties responsible in civil and criminal courts of law. These lawsuits, by disposition of the issues that arise, though they may entail some expense, serve as a remedy for trauma, to be addressed and treated before it becomes fixed in policy that results in harmful and toxic repression and regression, that, over time, impose greater expense, even to loss of life.
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I don’t disagree but back in the 70’s we went through a time when we didn’t put in a dirt line and rekindle after rekindle until adverse action was taking place. Even a cow pie with a grudge will bite you. I mentioned mop up only because the Tunnel fire was put out, the engines left and returned the next day after station duty’s to pick up hose, while there they started getting spots that got ahead of them, the rest is history
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There’s a good point there about concerns about institutional negligence that results in buyout leverage that benefits wealthy speculators and semi-autonomous resort creeps. We encountered this time and again in LA. Truly, I had to re-evaluate my own attitudes and whose interests they really served. I’m grateful to those residents who called me to properties alone, without a squad, to simply sit on the porch and chat about things, to teach me that I could not simply saw my way out of jams I might find myself in. I’m also grateful to property owners and officials who did, in fact, allow me to drop structures and structural elements that needed dropping. I think, in the long run, things worked out for the better, as now we have a Quarter that reflects its true heritage, and not some bizarre and grotesque hybrid of Casinos and Amusement Parks that would be the result of not allowing residents to take their time and hand pick the reconstruction projects and contractors that serve their interests first.
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Hearing talks a of Cal Fire IMT activation.
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Aaahh the good ole Cal Fire Rumor Mill LOL!!
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That would be cool . . . But since this seems to be a FEMA event, I would think one of the Type 1 Federal IIMTs in California would be considered over CF.
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It was discussed on their conference call this morning. More will be known later today.
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Not a rumor. The state is currently working on the EMAC process to activate CF IMT 1.
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