many years…this topic has a lot of credit and needs to let the dust to settle.
Safety has to guide this topic without the middle finger pointing to any agency or team…
lets make this as a learning and civil discussion
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This 100% did not happen on the line fire. At the time of the post there was only 1 IHC on the fire and that IHC is still on the fire. This is Fake news. Stop the division and work on collaboration. Fake stories like this don’t help.
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The information provided is overly vague. Knight ridges and mountain mahogany fuel types. That could be literally anywhere in central and southern California. They suggest 6 days to prep? So it’d be an extended attack fire then. A massive campaign fire. This was not at all the Line Fire. But for some reason wires keep getting crossed making it seem like that being the case. I would have suggested or thought maybe the Vista Fire in Mount Baldy but I’ve come to the realization that we’re never going to know exactly. Too many fires fall into this description. And who knows if the story is even real at all.
But it definitely wasn’t on the Line Fire.
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Not real sure what I think about this discussion thread, yep IHC’s turn down assignments from time to time, and when they do it’s legitimate and so what if they get demobed.
On a few occasions I was threatened with demob and my response was ok, we will have an order/reassigned before the ink dry’s…never happened. Ops folks can be a little stubborn at times…lol…
This entire story strikes me as a little bazar…But even more bazar is that there is someone out there making money off of a social media site concerning IHC’s…Shot crews do not as matter of fact talk to the media or others for that matter concerning their business.
I could tell you a great many stories of some of the debates that took place on incidents about accepting an assignment…and yes it can get heated at times…but it usually gets worked out…
And lastly shot crews maintain their culture by handing down it’s history and can do attitude from one generation to the next…I am not aware of someone getting a Supt job without ever being a hotshot…I am a little biased…yes shot crews have changed a bit with new technologies, but very much the same…
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I can say this, not all, but some crews especially out of region don’t think putting indirect line isnt necessary and want to just use a road. But when you have a seasoned retired hotshot superintendent as ops and the fire is doing much, but direct isn’t an option and they turn it down. Comes down too they just don’t want to put in hard work anymore. No one including operations would put a crew at risk.
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@Old_DRHS i remember a time in region 4 when things got “heated” on the line lol. I will leave it at that. I learned so much from watching you guys navigate that turn down.
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2 plus decades on a hotshot crew and the Supt of the only IHC on the Line fire during the first days in I A. The events described did not happen on the Line fire period. My experience with the CAL FIRE team was nothing but positive. From Ops , Branch and the Div sup. we the IHC ‘s received all the support we needed to be successful. Let’s not strain the relationship needlessly by assuming.
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Can confirm that no such thing happened on this fire. I have spoken to multiple people who would defiantly know if this had occurred and it did not.
The relationship between the Feds and Cal Fire is honestly amazing aside from a few people who probably still also hate their rival high school.
Having also worked with this team on many fires, their ops section is one of the most competent and level headed in the business. Defiantly not a group of desk jockeys with pencil whipped task books either.
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I assumed this happened on the Park fire. but that was just a guess based off very vague info from the pod cast
The initial Team on the Park Fire is the same Team on the Line Fire.
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Correct. And I personally told them no about a number of ideas and had zero issue doing so. I’m not saying the scenario is impossible, only that it would be very out of character for this team or as they always say, we don’t have the full story.
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