no scanner feeds due to various reasons from what I can tell. The team are Watch Duty is just digging around for info and we have a couple of people that work OR just not that area so much. Looks like it could be an interesting afternoon though.
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Thank you. I figured it would be hard area to hear much anyway. Sounds like beyond a tough area to work in.
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I believe this camera shows it. The 3 hours time lapse shows nice column growth.
https://www.alertwildfire.org/region/oregon/?camera=Axis-BosleyButte
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Itâs burning in a fire scar and even with that itâs really progressing at a pretty good rate.
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Seems like the worst possible place for a fire in Oregon. 1 million acre box potentially?
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Dunno about a million acres. Biscuit burned 500,000. Shown here in yellow.
This fire is on the northern tip of Biscuit.
2018 Klondike tells a story about potential fire behavior inside the Biscuit footprint.
Klondike (red outline) started on same day as this fire and burned 175k acres, almost all in the Biscuit footprint. It wasnât declared contained until November.
As you get farther west, the fog influence starts to become more important. Not any sort of expert on this, just remember stories about how it helped to define the western edge of Biscuit in 2002.
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The fire is 7,800 acres and did exhibit extreme fire behavior today. I would venture to say that this thing hits 20,000 acres in the next couple days based on the growth In the first 24hrs.
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Doesnât the fact that the Klondike fire burned so well in he Biscuit fire footprint and this fire is burning so hot disprove the USFS theory that frequent fires in our National Forests will reduce fire severity ? Fire without followup treatment only increases available fuels.
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To be fair, Klondike happened 16 years after Biscuit in productive westside forest lands. Itâs important to parse out what is an appropriate amount of time for a second burn. 16 years between fires seems like too long in just about any western forest type that isnât high-elevation.
And youâve got to ask what the outcome was. âBurned so wellâ is pretty subjective. The Klondike burned 175,000 acres in 4 months, but that doesnât mean it didnât do any good work. The image below is Klondike in 2019. Red is higher severity. A lot of the north slopes underburned. According to the BAER team, about 75% of the landscape basically got a big fuels treatment. Given the USFSâ inability to manage fuels at scale, itâs hard to say if the fire was the worst thing that could have happened to the landscape. If weâd kept fire off it for another decade, we might have roasted a much higher proportion.
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Thanks Pyrogeo as always!
There are an awful lot of things that effect the degree to which an old fire helps tame a new fire.
When the BAER team assess the Flat fire it will be interesting to put itâs burn severity map over the top of the Klondikeâs severity map.
I wonder if anyone has any lidar data from after the Klondike.
The Sentinel radar satellite data would also be a good data layer.
That is the kind of study that will help better understand and plan the use of âfires of opportunity.â
Like the YNP-Pika is being used in Yosemite today.
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from IR flight last night at 10pm 5477 acres
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That spotting to the south concerns me a littleâŚ
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The fire will be on the northern extent of a mid level
moisture plume so there could be enough to drive pyrocu development today
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Looks like an earlier inversion lift. To get back on topic and provide some local intel - any clear air for aircraft to operate is probably not desirable. This area benefits from marine layer push and coastal inversions. With the indices sitting at near-record levels for the coast, any clear air will have this fire running. Stay safe all.
For the mods, this is OR-RSF-000209
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Wondering when large resource orders will go through for this fire
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I was a FELB on the Biscuit; my local fallers GPS the trees we dropped (mostly virgin timber).
Pres. Bush approved the harvesting . Sierra club and other far lefters put a stop to the harvesting
Sticks still on the ground to be burned up in the Flat fire
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Tnkrâs 911 & 912 @ Medford
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