I’m asking about this because I believe CALFIRE has their information wrong about the Creek fire being the largest individual fire in california history, pretty sure that is the Doe fire.
I believe there were several lightning fires initially that combined to form the Doe Fire. Then they became the states largest “single” named fire.
So I assume they are saying the Creek fire is the largest single fire with one single ignition?
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If 2 or more fires burn together, isn’t that still one fire?
I was just asking for clarification.
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The Ranch Fire (2018) is the largest single ignition fire at 410,203 acres. The Doe and Hennessey, which are both larger than the Creek, were combinations of several fires.
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Is that acreage exclusive of the ranch or inclusive of the River?
Solely the Ranch Fire. The combined total for the two, which comprised the Mendocino Complex (2018) was 459,123 acres. The Ranch Fire and the River Fire never entered into each other’s burn scar although they did come close along Hwy 20.
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Wow, thanks for that intel, crazy to think the August Complex is chewing through some of that same ground that burned just 2 years ago.
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I wonder how much influence this had on them flip-flopping whether the Bullfrog was it’s own incident, or not…
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The bull frog has never been considered or thought of. The only reason why it’s on the maps is so people can see the team recognizes it but it’s not a incident included or part of the creek. It is under “management” of the local forest.
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You are incorrect. The forst two days it was listed as a spot fire.
The August Complex is burning West and North of the 2018 Ranch Fire
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The Forest didn’t have the correct intel before the y consulated the team assigned to the south zone… I know this because I’m part of the team… the forest also pulled its people out at one acre and now 289k later and 700+ homes destroyed… I would say the Forest has made some rush judgement calls.
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I concur, with the initial failures. I even believe completely the misunderstanding of cause, start, management, etc. However, the radio traffic and releases showed it part of for two days and then uncertainty for 1-2 more, before confirmed separate incident, being managed as such. That is the reason for my first comment regarding wondering if the cureent size of Creek had any motivation. The radio traffic shows what occurred the first night of Creek. Also, there was absolutely no preplanning for the North side and slow requests for resources when it first crossed the SJ River - even with AA reporting the rate of spread.
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That’s fine, the aa is going to report any new fire within the the tfr of the creek fire and the incident will provide support as such. But the forest is solely Responsible for the bullfrog. The incident has been providing air tanker in helicopter support when requested but the forest service has their own crews as well as engines assigned to that incident.
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Coy that - understood. So, I can take it the size of the Creek had nothing to do with Bullfrog’s separate incident management? Thanks, that answers my curiousity from my first post. Thanks for the knowledge and insight.
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I would say that the local forest can handle some thing that’s 900 acres versus almost 300,000 acres. The incident management team is doing its best on the fire but recognizing that at the Bullfrog is a fire if it’s own nature and the forest is taking its own plan on it.
It’s almost just for the situational awareness of the creek Fire resources…
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I doubt there is any tangible connection in the decision process between the Mendocino Complex (2018) and whether or not the Bullfrog (2020) should have been included into the Creek. There are very carefully constructed complexity calculations which determine the need for a IMT and of what Type. The Ranch and River began in very close proximity to else each both in time and geography. At that time, the Carr was raging still and the area in which the Ranch and River were burning would have been a logistical nightmare to run as two separate incidents not to mention that the airspace for both would have intersected the other. While some might disagree, the decision at the time, to combine both those fires into a single IMT and thus a complex was the absolute right one.
I am not making any comment on what did or did not happen with the Bullfrog/Creek. I don’t know and and arm chair quarterbacking those decisions is not something that is reasonable with the information at hand.
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That makes complete sense
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I just came across this thread. This is why I stay here and read what is posted. This thread is a prime example of fire professionals have an informative and courteous discussion. No SHOUTING, no insults, no name calling. Just a good informative and educational chat among professional that want to expand their knowledge–Carry on!
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