https://www.yahoo.com/news/government-set-colossal-wildfire-victims-115330450.html
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I look forward to reading the review once it becomes public.
My Perspective on the CA-YNP-Washburn Fire in Yosemite National Park from available data:
On July 7th, Hikers reported smoke to the National Park Service near the Mariposa Grove of Historic Cedar Redwood Trees above the South Fork of the Merced River Drainage. Much of the fire appears to be accessible to hand crews and likely engines and dozers from the get-go. Reports were that one engine and one fire hand crew were on the fire the first day (probably a few more). Multiple helicopters and air tankers dropped water and fire retardant until sunset on day one. The fire was estimated to be only 7 to 10 acres by nighttime.
This area is suffering the 4th year of drought, the fire began in slightly elevated fire weather conditions in an area with a long history of fire exclusion. The opportunity to stop the spread of this fire and subsequently fully contain it was by far the greatest this first day and an outside chance the second day. Please ask anyone with wildfire experience if you doubt me, fire retardant or water dropped from the air is not a fire line in heavy fuels. The proper use of air attack from helicopters and airtankers is to slow the spread and cool the fire to allow boots on the ground to line the fire to stop it, hold the lines and finally control it. A difficult orchestration to do safely but it can be done In this case there were no boots on the ground or almost none.
Day two of the fire, same suppression action, nearly all from the air, the fire chewed through the retardant dropped from the air and went on its way being slowed for a short period. The fire managed to grow significantly to several hundred acres, established into the very steep Merced River Drainage. The stage was set for a fire likely to burn for the remainder of the summer
Day three the fire grew in size and intensity. The NPS announced dozers would be used but only to construct lines around Wawona Village. Small resource orders went out for engines and crews.
By the third day various discussions began about Federal Fire Agencies level of urgency toward Initial Fire Attack. NPS and others are doing everything possible to reintroduce fire into the ecology a very sound policy at the right time place and under favorable conditions, this fire meets none of these three criteria and is not a natural fire. Make no mistake about it this is not the right time, place or proper burring conditions to apply such a policy (my opinion). Time, the beginning of the heart of fire season, Place, an area suffering multi-year drought with no recent fire history and Conditions, moderate to elevated fire weather with assuredly extreme periods of fire weather to come in the life of this fire. Maximum aggressive effective initial fire attack to keep fires as small as possible is the only responsible policy for the time, place and conditions.
The policy choice to allow this fire to burn and establish as a large heavy fuel timber fire has numerous effects that fire managers are required to consider in the first hours of this and all fires. Some are:
- Long Term Safety
a. Prolonged use of aircraft is very hazardous particularly in a mountainous area like Yosemite. A lead Plane and airtanker have already reported a large tree branch fell from above passing behind the lead plane and Infront of the tanker. Air operations are likely to go well into August and likely September
b. Boots on the ground likely in the thousands by time this is over will be exposed to the hazards of firefighting for weeks and likely months as opposed to days and or a single week. Working a fire in a steep river drainage is a very dangerous situation.
c. Large areas of the west will be under a blanket of smoke again for much of the summer - Damage to Property and the environment. As high and or extreme periods of fire weather pass through the fire area size will increase rapidly. It is very possible and rather likely this fire will burn out of the Park at some point in some areas.
a. Private property including developed and natural assets will be damaged and some destroyed.
b. Due to drought, fire exclusion and time of year the fire within the park will be way above ānatural fire intensity levelsā causing extremely elevate damage to Park vegetation and improvements - This fire will commit vast resources that will not be available for other fires as they arise
a. Managing and suppressing a massive timber fire takes equally massive resources
b. During heightened burning conditions additional resources will be required to protect assets and contain/manage this fire - Cost. This is the most expensive way to āRe-introduce Fireā per acre of land imaginable. Without a miracle this fire will run into the Hundreds of Millions of Dollars.
This recent information from the fire is rather alarming in that it brings into question what if any of the policy of reintroducing fire has on the objectives, strategy and Tactics being employed. The phrase āManaged for Full Suppressionā is nonsensical. āModerate Fire Behaviorā when you are observing āLong -range Spotting, Group Torching and Backingā these are all associated with Extreme Fire Behaviorā. Day five very minimal fire growth was reported, and this does not appear to match the intensity of the smoke columns seen on Firewatch cameras throughout the day yesterday and there was no mention of correction due to more accurate mapping. Is there an attempt to present this fire in a more positive light than the facts on the ground indicate? These issues must be addressed immediately and in a transparent manor by the Park. Simply being offended for asking must not provide a shield for these very serious issues.
The die is cast, and we must live with the consequences of this policy application. I ask everyone to join me in praying for the safety of everyone involved in this fire fight and all of those who are and will be effected.
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Well explained and thank you for bringing the discussion to the appropriate place
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Very well said, I hope everyone that are posting in the Q & A about this fire pops over and reads this
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I think you are correct in highlighting the benefits. This is important. Iād like to propose an item for consideration. We currently have available resources, but what happens if/when another fire occurs and the YNP has to share assets and those resources that would have been used for management, are no longer available due to the higher prioritization of life/property threat. There is no great answer to this, as management and suppression both have there places. I think it does boil down to timing, and assets at risk, along with available resources, not to mention media influence and political concerns. Zeke brings up great points and sound goals. Iām just saying thereās a lot to consider, but I do agree that we need to listen, not wait our turn to speak, when it comes to suppression and management discussion. We may actually understand each other, justā¦.a little bit better.
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Its not fair to the citizens who pay taxes to support a managed fire. If AHJās want to do that, they should prepare it and staff for itā¦ then once it occursā¦ allow it to happen. If you were on Reading you know what happened( I was).
Suppression does work 100% of the timeā¦ hence the reason we do not have fires still burning.
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I support the plan
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The RX windows and in-season windows we donāt take advantage of we arenāt going to get back. We have to stop pretending there is a āno fireā option. Everything burnable is going to burn and the way itās been going, it will burn under the worst possible conditions. Really appreciate this analysis and viewpoint Zeke
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Citizens pay the taxes that staff the AHJās, soā¦
And historically some agencies have red tape issues that all but prevent realistic burning. Accidental and natural fires create opportunities that can result in beneficial burning.
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Citizens donāt pay taxes to support a managed fire in a NP. The point is not if managed fire is valid, its when it is valid.
On āyourā property you can do what you want, you can own a dog that eats chickens. What you cannot do is own a dog that eats chickens and have no fence and then tell all your neighbors that they better build a taller fence so your dog does not eat their chickens and then tell your neighbors once your dog starts eating their chickens that they need to come and help you build the fence. That is not how life is supposed to work.
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Sorry but we pay taxes to the government to manage the Forests and NPās to the best of their ability. Whether it is with fire or without. If we donāt like the way they are run we have to turn to politicians and vote in the ones who will make changes to your liking. That is where the problems can be corrected. Unfortunatelyā¦ Bureaucrats donāt always do what is best for nature, itās what is best to keep their jobs.
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National Park employees work for the federal government where just about everything done at that level is paid for by taxes so canāt follow your reasoning there.
Maybe Iām being a little thick but your fence story makes no sense at all toward prescribed burning.
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Can we please get back to the FIRE
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Exactly what I was thinking. One agency might benefit from fire enhancing flora and fauna, a neighboring agency might benefit from reduction of fire risk to a community. Both agencies provide resources for mutual benefit. A local agency I worked for occasionally provided resources to assist feds with burn projects.
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Local Govt agencies are not financed through the Federal Govt. Using state or Local Government Agencies for prescription burns make them unavailable for new expanding incidents. Norcal74 hit nail on head.
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Never mind, I take it all back!
https://www.alertwildfire.org/region/sierra/?camera=Axis-Deadwood
Like I said in my science fiction post, though, we were going to keep our in-season burn out of the Canyon. :^>
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